Enjoy an intimate and heartfelt interview series hosted by author Kelly Corrigan.MoreMore. Leave a review on Apple Podcasts. This interview is perfection. Go get mixed up in something. More lessons learned. Then the ocean with its waves so vast, impossible to touch bottom, then a maze, then a mountain, then seasons, a natural disaster. For our weekly dose of wonder, NPR learns about glorious sounds chicken make at a very important moment in their . Show Kelly Corrigan Wonders, Ep Kelly's Gratitude List - Nov 25, 2022 Kate Bowler:Well, I accept. Kate Bowler:Yeah, I believe you. Kelly Corrigan:You dont always need such a plan, or an agenda, or whatever. I was wrong not to go visit her. I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know? I think we should be talking about five percent of the time. She has been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary, and she is the most perfect person to talk to to kick us off because her lovely new book is called Tell Me More, and Tell me more is one of those phrases she uses, phrases that she writes about that help guide her through relationships, and parenting, and grief. Lang Lang and Gina Alice play the piano in Lafayette, CA. Kate is a young mother, writer and professor who, at age 35, was suddenly diagnosed with Stage IV cancer. Kelly Corrigan:Like, almost every time Im sure that if you just let me take over, I can make this problem go away. Kelly Corrigan:Yeah, and theres forgiveness and acceptance kind of intertwined there that you know, youre going to forget. Like the other day when I was being wheeled into a procedure, the nurse looked at my chart, and then casually said, Colon cancer. Ill definitely remember this motto and will probably end up using it, if you dont mind . Its the motto I live by when my opportunities are too big, and my capacity and capabilities too small. She's a podcaster. Kate Bowler:You put in a strong argument, if I may say it like that, for just being close to one another. Kelly Corrigan:Hearts dont idle. It just ends the tension because what youre saying is, I see it how you see it, and I agree with you. I mean, I remember thinking, when I wasnt sure, when I was in an especially tough moment of illness, every time I would look at Zachs nails I would think, Is this what wouldve happened if I hadnt been here to do this? Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. Its the only way to keep the last bit of sanity. Ryland was a light in this world who struggled with anxiety, depression and addiction. I was in a big, big rush to get in front of him, and say my apology, and be returned to a state of grace, but the fact is that his mom died. Just get in the mix, get in the line of fire. P.S. Ask the dancers, and the athletes, the painters, and musicians. As Teri said, He didnt have a drug problem, he had a life problem. Series 47: For the Love of Untraditional Traditions Series 46: For the Love of Feeding Your People Series 45: For the Love of Dating, Sex, and Relationships Series 44: Letters from MeCamp 2022 Series 43: For the Love of Conversations Series 42: For the Love of Our Favorite Pastimes Series 41: For the Love of Faith Shakers And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us Hebrews 12:1 I absolutely love that phrase. You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. Just see who you can bump into out there. Kate Bowler:You put in a strong argument, if I may say it like that, for just being close to one another. Youre going to slide around, you know, youre going to deserve your life a little more some days than others. Kelly shares her own "go to" mantra as well as two blessings from frequent Kelly Corrigan Wonders guest Kate Bowler and her co-author/friend/podcast producer Jessica Richie's beautiful and extremely useful book: The Lives We Actually Have (100 Blessings for Imperfect Days). Kelly Corrigan:Hey, thanks for having me. I was wrong. Forever? Kate Bowler:Thanks so much for doing this. Kelly has also agreed to be my friend as part of her contractual commitment to this podcast. Kelly Corrigan:Im telling you what, man, you can not believe how much I use this, and you can not believe how still it is not my natural instinct. I should not be mad about this. I think we should be talking about five percent of the time. Constance Wu and Kelly Corrigan in Lafayette, CA. Like, Im just an ordinary person, and I make all the mistakes that everybody else makes and maybe even 10% more, and then there she was, and what she would have done for the life that I was kind of rushing through, multitasking my way through day, after day, and you know, sort of feeling snappish, and then catching myself, and feeling like I should be different. Kelly Corrigan:Well you know, sometimes the trivial is tragic. I mean, its a little bit like, Just keep saying yes. You know, When in doubt, say Sure, Ill do that, just to see what happens next, just to see who you might meet. I went into this tiny bathroom in Baltimore in our office building, and just cried my eyes out, and it wasnt even because she died. Make the magic happen. Duration: 3:0 Transcript HARI SREENIVASAN: Now to another in our Brief But Spectacular. All moments, days, chapters are transitory and the good ones leave us as do the bad ones. Being a runner, this has always been meaningful for me. Take Care Kate, Maya Shankar and Kelly Corrigan in Lafayette, CA. He shares what draws him to people, how he writes them into stories and how openness and vulnerability are key elements to finding a strong character. Today, Im speaking with New York Times bestselling author, Kelly Corrigan. Go get mixed up in something. Nobody who is between identities they can tolerate does, it seems to me something Ive actively struggled with and expect to go hand to hand with again, whether tomorrow or the day after. Kelly Corrigan:Like, almost every time Im sure that if you just let me take over, I can make this problem go away. I didnt engage with her. Teri Rose wrote this loving remembrance of her son Ryland. Jennifer Garner tells Kelly Corrigan how she inspires others to find their true passions. My mom called me maybe three months after my dad died. So, its funny that that phrase really begat the whole book in a way, because I had been feeling this shame about not really earning my days here, and then Ed and I were at dinner, and we were talking about the difference between saying Im sorry, and saying I was wrong, and I was saying, God, its so much more powerful though in the humility in saying I was wrong.. I was wrong not to try to ease her days in some way.. Im hearing all the music, Im totally tuned in to the right channel, and then just like that, I slip into those mundane irritants., Kelly Corrigan:And then I catch myself, and then I feel this sense of shame, and he said, Its like this. Kate Bowler:Those ordinary consonants and vowels that, when strung together, offer meaning and points of entry for others. Suddenly, just showing up was in question. I went to see her one time. This is one of the most moving and important conversations weve ever shared and we thank PBS for supporting this work as well as the Lafayette Library and Learning Center for hosting the shoot. Constance shares her experiences as an actress in Hollywood both on and off screen: the privilege and responsibility of representation, being a true artist, navigating social media and an incident which took her to a very dark place.Special thanks to PBS for supporting Tell Me More and this podcast series. Kelly Corrigan:But you know, if Im jumping in with my fancy solution two and a half minutes in, I just cut you off, and then we leave each other, and I have this little high like, Ah, I just really helped her, and she walks away thinking, She didnt hear anything I said. Use one of the services below to sign in to PBS: You've just tried to add this video to My List. My mantra for the last decade plus has been show up and be of use. I was so mad that I shook the cage a bit, that hamster eating its sibling. Thanks so much for your refreshing, poignant, thought-provoking podcast. Kate, Kelly Corrigan:You cant be in the world, and get through your to-do list, and also sit in endless, rich gratitude. Kelly Corrigan:My friend Andy Lotts, who is Lizs husband, told me about it, cause hes a mom now, and so we talk mom talk. You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. After the potency of the crime metaphor wore off, I turned to the vocabulary of religion. Id say that there is definitely such a thing as a questioning Christian. Kate Bowler:Well, the quote that really resonated with me is when you said, They are moving onward, not away from you, but with you. Kelly Corrigan:And then she died, and my dad called, and my dad had nothing but positive things to say to me my entire life, and he said, You should have gone to see your grandmother more. Playlist. Kellys guest is actress and author Constance Wu - you may know her from her roles in the breakthrough tv show Fresh Off the Boat and the blockbuster film Crazy, Rich Asians. Im so compassionate to that thing that happens every time you tell someone that you had cancer, which is the other person trying to figure out why its not going to happen to them as fast as possible. Kelly Corrigan:They hate it. Kelly Corrigan:And thats the truth. On Sundays, Kelly records a special podcast called, "Thanks for Being Here" where she reads the toasts and tributes that listeners have submitted about those they love. Alex, To learn more about Everything Happens for a Reason (and Other Lies Ive Loved) by Kate Bowler, click here. Kelly Corrigan:So, I just really went bananas, because on top of the shirt problem, I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, and I found everybodys bowls, and spoons, and cups, and I had that reaction that so many women have, which is, Well I guess Im the least busy. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. You wrote this book in a season of incredible loss. Phrases like I dont know, I was wrong, and one of my favorites, Its like this. Read more on this here. Hosted by Tom Scharpling and featuring celebrity guests, music, callers, and plenty of surprises, The Best Show streams live every Tuesday night on Twitch at 6pm PT and is available on your podcast apps the next day. So, Dont eat a hamster is our version of Dont jump to conclusions.. Thats like total vanity but, especially with the kids, I definitely think, Edward and I both think, If you let us run this out for you, well get it done like one, two, three, and thats so humiliating, and degrading, and just the opposite of self-esteem building, which is sort of like the ground we walk on as adults. Kate Bowler:Wow, and thats a big word. Sometimes, were just lacking a bit of language. The voice memos at the end of the episode are from listeners like you! Read more about this episode, and get show notes, here. Im sorry to ask about the hard part, but would you mind telling me what happened? We are so glad that you joined us for this conversation and found it enjoyable. So, I think things happen when you leave the house. Its like this now seems like a helpful way to process changethanks for offering that up . Kelly Corrigan:I know, me too. Kelly Corrigan:Theres a thing Im aware of about eye contact between spouses, and you either make it, or you dont, and once youre aware that thats deeply meaningful, and that it has this kind of almost immeasurable, physiological effect on the other person, then you make an effort to look them in the eye, and that seems like such a small thing, but its actually definitional in terms of your relationship, in terms of whether its a good day, or a bad day, or a good interaction, or a bad interaction. I think part of why your book is so moving is the way that these sayings crystallize these really big truths about who we are, and also how we should love each other. Kate Bowler:Wow, and thats a big word. She's an author. Stay healthy. Make the magic happen. Even the words left unsaid. Its so that they can identify some critical difference between you and them that makes them feel like they can exhale again. I mean, that was my big experience of your book. Just do your best. I mean, people are getting colon cancer at your age all the time. Yeah. Your email address will not be published. I dont know. I didnt do it. Kate Bowler:Oh friend. Kelly Corrigan:I never came up with any combination that came close to the feeling. The space between doubt and belief is often unpopular, but the tension can be held. Like, Today could be this day, well, you know, today I met you, now were friends, and who knows whats going to happen now? Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. Thanks very much for all you do. The Best Show is the best live podcast you're ever gonna hear! Ten days before I was scheduled to defend my dissertation, English Policies, Curricular Reform and Teacher Development in Multilingual, Post-colonial Djibouti, I got the call. Theres a whole world out there happening, and you can step into all kinds of things, and you dont need to know why youre leaving the house. Kelly Corrigan:Youre feeling like ABC, not DEF. So thats the beauty of it. I mean, I remember thinking, when I wasnt sure, when I was in an especially tough moment of illness, every time I would look at Zachs nails I would think, Is this what wouldve happened if I hadnt been here to do this? Kelly reads everything from eulogies to retirement speeches and on February 19th, she . Maybe Wills curious phrase, Its like this, applies here too. Ill definitely have to write this one down and bring it out on a particularly overwhelming day! You also realized there was incredible parenting magic in the phrase, Tell me more. So, what is this witchcraft you speak of? Shed do dishes all day and into the night to just get to listen to her children, just to get to watch them through a one-way glass, you know? I was wrong, and that is very soothing, but then that took me back to this moment where I had gone to work for United Way after college, because I was going to save the world, and I was this total do-gooder. You know, like it wasnt me. I mean, Im totally coming to see you. Kelly Corrigan:Sure, my pleasure. She reflects on her love and loss through ordinary moments and everyday sayings. She was really, really into manners, and as kind of an act of gratitude, not in an uptight, British way, but as a Look at us eating a meal together, like, Nobody should eat before the last person gets down. Together, Kate and Kelly explore the phrases we cling to in order to find deeper connection and meaning during difficult times. Diana, What do we do when the labels were given arent necessarily the ones we choose for ourselves? Hosted by four-time New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan, the show features insightful conversations with notable guests, reflecting on their lives and the impact they can have on their worlds. I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know? I need to hear what your motto is. Kate Bowler:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team Everything Happens, Kate, She has been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary, and she is the most perfect person to talk to to kick us off because her lovely new book is called Tell Me More, and Tell me more is one of those phrases she uses, phrases that she writes about that help guide her through relationships, and parenting, and grief. Kelly Corrigan:I was perhaps proud about it honestly, and I was reading 7 Habits of Highly Effective People at night with my big fat yellow highlighter, and I was really full of attachment to this identity that I had painted for myself. Kilpy Kelly Corrigan is the best-selling author of "Tell Me More: Stories about the 12 Hardest Things I'm Learning to Say," and a proud graduate of the University of Richmond. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, unless youre a monk, and youre meditating for 60 days in a mountain somewhere. I really appreciate it. In, warm, insightful, often funny conversations, Kate talks with people about what they've. Theres meatless Mondays, and theres a kombucha bar, and theres nap pods. Dont worry, and she said, Well, my problem is I cant zip my dress by myself, so I thought if it was a woman, I could ask her to come in, and zip my dress, and I thought, Thats the tiny moments that are so gut-wrenching for a new widow. You dont have to bring it all. Each episode ends with a special Plus One segment, in which guests are invited to thank those that have supported them along their journey. Mahra:Ive been singing these lines from a song by the Avett Brothers to my kids for years, and it goes like this. I mean, Im totally coming to see you. Kareem means generous. So, maybe when life is chronic, we all need some sayings to anchor us, our very own mottos that guide us through. Join New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan as she choreographs big-ideas conversations with some of the creative thinkers and artists who define our time. Society & Culture English Even the words left unsaid. Her teams look to her for direction, but she wanted to see what would happen if she paused more to ask them questions, and found it totally changed her approach to both her work and family life. Kate Bowler:Today, I get a chance to talk to Kelly about some of her very best phrases. Kilpy So, I kind of wondered if there was a motto youd pick for you for right now, what would it be? Kate Bowler:Absolutely. (As consciously lesbian from about four-years old, believe it or not, I preferred handsome to pretty.) It just came out whole, and of course, to me its the most important and moving chapter in the book for sure. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. I do need to be reminded of this often There are only two days in the year that nothing can be done. Kelly Corrigan:So, my dad died in February, and then my friend Liz, whos the mother of three kids, 8, 10, and 12 at the time, died that December. We look forward to having you join in on future conversations! Kate Bowler:I dont think Ill like it, but I will think of you when I do it. Shes not going to hold their babies.. Kelly Corrigan Wonders Weekly series started Oct. 4, 2020. Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into.
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